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Unlock the secrets to reclaiming your innate confidence with our special guest, Gwendi Klisa, a cognitive behavioral hypnotherapist from London. Discover how confidence is not an inherent trait but a skill that can be nurtured and rebuilt, especially when life's hurdles have knocked it down. Through Gwendy's holistic approach, we delve into actionable strategies that integrate cognitive processes and subconscious beliefs to overcome limiting thoughts and boost self-assurance.
Ever wondered how to confront and harness your darker traits for personal growth? Gwendi guides us through the transformative process of shadow work, emphasizing the importance of understanding and embracing every facet of ourselves—including the negative ones. Learn how to navigate strong emotions, use the brick wall metaphor to visualize barriers, and understand the pivotal role of a supportive companion in your journey toward self-improvement.
In our final discussion, we explore the profound influence of the subconscious on our emotions and behaviors, highlighting practical techniques to process and release buried negative emotions. From hypnotherapy to dynamic physical activities like swimming, Gwendi shares a variety of methods to anchor a new, more confident persona. We'll also offer tangible steps like environmental changes to reinforce your transformation, ensuring you leave this episode armed with the tools to build lasting confidence.
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Hi, this is Demetria Clark, the director of Heart of Herbs Herbal School, and today, on the Heart of Herbs Herbal School podcast, we are talking to Gwendy Klise.
Speaker 1:Now, gwendy is really cool because she's a cognitive behavioral hypnotherapist, specializing in something that I talk about a lot in our classroom, especially when students are getting ready to embark on a new business or a new offering or learning how to take the next step in their herbal studies or their aromatherapy studies, and that's confidence, and you guys know that I really believe that confidence is something that you can create for yourself, that you can have breakthroughs, and so Gwendy talks about this. She helps people get out of their head and start believing in themselves and their abilities, and you guys know that I love that kind of stuff. I love the fact that she can help people bust down walls, break barriers. She's based in London and she's run an online business for the past 10 years about this, so I'm going to let her introduce herself to you guys and explain a little bit about what she does before we like dive in and start asking all kinds of great questions. So, gwendy, please say hey to everyone. Hi, demetria.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone. I am so happy that you invited me today because I, firstly, I love herbs. To be honest, I'm a bit of a gardener. I haven't told you this, but I do. Actually, I believe in plants for sure, and what you say about confidence is so cool and I love the way that you're so positive about it and I can imagine you how you actually cheer on your, your students and anybody listening to this.
Speaker 2:Confidence is like Demetria said it's something you create for yourself and it's also something that people have to build up. Nobody, 99% of us are not born with a full or maybe we are born with a full confidence, but this is already going deep into the topic. Throughout our lives there will be knocks, and sometimes these knocks can lead to a little dent in the confidence, and this is how we get onto that track of lowering the confidence a bit. And today we are all about speaking about what we can do to bring that back up and really step into it and start believing in ourselves, our abilities, our ability to study, to do business or to do whatever I mean. This applies, of course, to all areas of life. So, yeah, that's. That's just a thank you for having me and what I do. I work really on the whole human in a way that I believe in.
Speaker 2:Yes, you have to change the thinking. People have a problem and the first thing we, we tend to do are, I think, people who are herbalists probably a a bit more in tune, for sure, more in tune with nature and the body, but an ordinary people, they will start just thinking, getting into the spiraling thinking, ruminating, overthinking, and that is good. I mean. The good thing is what is good to calm that down and get that thinking onto a level. That's where the cognitive and heart comes in and a cognitive behavioral hypnotherapist. So get the thinking in track and then, what I also like to do, obviously, get into the subconscious and access that. I talk more about that later. And then the next step to really having that full confidence is to change your behavior and challenge yourself. The doing is part of the confidence, obviously, because you are setting yourself goals. So I like to, my approach is really holistic, in that way that I go into the thinking, into the feeling, into the physical sensations of the confidence and into the actions.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, I love that. So I also run Birth Arts International, which is a doula training organization, and so I talk a lot about how I think and I talk about this with our students too in reference to, like confidence. It's like you're born okay, right, and the world decides they're gonna pull all these bricks out of your wall, right. It sounds to me like your work is just rebuilding those those walls of of confidence where you know, you know, when a child first says I want to sing a song, it doesn't occur to them that the song isn't going to sound good or that it isn't worth singing, or that their lyrics are going to be whatever they, they're confident and they want to do it. And then it's the world that says you don't sound good enough, or your song doesn't rhyme, or whatever. And it sounds to me like the work that you do is really helping people put those those walls back up and overcoming their limiting beliefs. So can you start by explaining your theory of overcoming limiting beliefs and its key principles?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sure. So I think the way we are saying limiting beliefs, because we know that's a concept, but in real life people will just encounter a situation that bothers them, where they maybe wish I could act differently. Why am I doing this? Something is holding me back. For example, somebody wants to be able to present to a bigger group, really in a good way and in a confident way and in a way that everybody learns and that, and. But they are holding a limiting belief in some way that makes them hold back and not be able to present. And I'm just, I'm just going to give this.
Speaker 2:So this is how people suddenly notice oh, I've got a belief. I can't present to a group, I'm bad at public speaking, I'm that kind of thing. Or you just realize you have a goal and you can't reach it. This is what I've seen a lot in the business field. They're setting themselves the 10k goal and whatever goal, and it's not, it's so elusive. And these people I've worked with them too, I've been there myself, of course we work hard, we do everything and then we can't reach it because there's always something missing. And and that is the other way, where we say, oh, I can't make 10k. I can't do it consistently because I'm something you know and these are there. We know there's some sabotage going on, basically. So that's, that's the I guess, the starting point for this.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I love that. So what inspired you to develop this theory and to specifically go into this work? Was there a personal experience or insight that led you to develop this theory and to specifically go into this work? Was there a personal experience or insight that led you to explore this more and develop a structured approach to overcoming limiting beliefs? Or was it like just a brainstorm one day and you were like, oh my gosh, this is how I can help, this is how I can make a difference in the world? So what was your inspiration?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. It was two things really. It was firstly that I think, also believe again, I believe that I've really strong emotions and that it's hard for me sometimes to get a handle on them. So I've been held. I feel I've been held back quite a lot in life by having being overly whatever and this and that, and instead of just getting on with this or processing through it in a healthy way and doing the thing that I actually wanted to do, instead of going into any kind of spiral. So that is one thing that for me, it's really necessary to work through, this as a person, and I've so that that's the, I guess the, the basis.
Speaker 2:And then I've there's that was something else somebody in lockdown. We were chatting and she said, oh, I've been doing lots of shadow work and I was like, oh my god, I'm sitting here in this flat with three kids and all of that and some people are doing shadow work. So I said, listen, you can do shadow work as well, nobody's stopping you. So I started exactly exactly, so I started going into that. I read a really good book called I've got it actually here the dark side of the light chasers by Debbie Ford. It's a nice book about shadow work, in case somebody's interested. And anyway, I went in there and just delved into my shadow and I uncovered quite a few things. And obviously only do that if you, if you have somebody to work with you through it, so I wouldn't just say anybody should just do it. So you need to be able to have, have, have a companion with that if you go there.
Speaker 1:Basically, oh, that's great. Will you explain what you mean by shadow work for people who do not know what that means?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the concept. I mean it could mean a lot of things, but the way I mean it is because you're asking this, it's just to get into your soul or into your unconscious, subconscious and get to know all the parts. And this is really pertinent also to what we're going to speak about today. Yes, of course I know I'm, I can speak to people, I love speaking to people and that's maybe my gregarious part or my my friendly part, and I know that part well and I like that part. But then, of course, I also have a part in me that's so easily demotivated and it's like when somebody achieves something and it's not me, I could go into a sulk. I'm better now and I've overcome it.
Speaker 2:That is, for example, that sulky part is something that I would call a shadow, because it's something we hide. Of course, nobody's proud of that and we don't want to. We don't put that forward. But all these parts need to become too light. We can I mean, we can keep them under lock and people function. Thousands of people function. They just lock them away and do do life right. So that's an option for us. But for somebody who wants to discover that or feels there's a need because there's so much pressure building up in them. It's good to get to know these other shadow parts of themselves, or the part I'm going to speak later for example, the part of shame, or all these emotions we say I don't feel shame, no, no, no, no, no. And then maybe, when you, you can think, maybe there is some element of myself that I've buried so deep, that maybe has some shame, and bringing that out will transform you basically especially yeah, okay, I'm going to speak later public speaking examples, I'm so excited about this whole topic. Yeah, so that's shadow work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that, like I always. You know students will so for me, like personally, in reference to what you were talking about right.
Speaker 1:I am so boring online I am just like great job, you know I'm not, I'm not very gregarious or all this stuff, and so I've been trying to, in the past year, like get out of my skin and not be so like um, I don't know, afraid to live in this space, you know, and and I've been doing this for for, oh gosh, 30 years now, so it's like I really should be over it by now, right?
Speaker 1:So I've been trying to, like, you know, really touch on the things that hold me back and I always talk to our students about that too, and that I think sometimes you have to, you know, arm wrestle with the dark parts of yourself, the parts that, no matter what is going on, you know, like you're in this little cloud.
Speaker 1:We have to like not bring our cloud with us everywhere, and I think it's really important that you're doing work like this, because I think sometimes people think, if they address the parts of themselves that they don't like or that they want to work on, or they're missing out on opportunities for one, self-growth but also motivation, like some of the things that I don't necessarily always like about myself have also given me the strength to do other things too, so it's important to also embrace and understand those. So I think it's really cool that you work in that realm and that you talk to people about that. Now you have something called the brick wall metaphor. Can you explain that to that, explain that to us and then illustrate, you know, the ways that it can work against us or help us? Or how does this metaphor help individuals visualize and understand their own barriers to personal growth and success?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay. So I wanted to just say what you said about getting the darker parts up. Yes, and I think you mentioned you transformed one of them into a helper, into a support, is that right?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I did I absolutely.
Speaker 2:That is exactly the thing. Maybe some people are ruminating too much, and that is a part, but that can be a pensive part. Just bring them to light, let them express and give them their job. That basically just wanted to say that.
Speaker 1:I love that. Give them their job. I love that because that's what I do. I do like I'm not always very good with um people and then when people meet me they're like, oh my gosh, you're so funny and you're so kind, but like I stick to myself until I feel comfortable and safe. And that doesn't always work when you do public speaking and stuff like that. So I always seem to be a little standoffish and I'm really been trying to work on that. But on the other hand, that part of me that's like that allowed me to write like something like 20,000 pages of student course material over the years. So you can, you can use those. You use those things as tools if you, if you look and understand that they're there. So I love that you encourage people to, you know, embrace the different parts of themselves that maybe in some context, we feel aren't the greatest parts of ourselves, and make them become our champions. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah, or be part of the team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I love that Be part of the team.
Speaker 2:It's really individual. Some, you know, each person has different parts and some could be great, as as the champions, and others are just a good support, but that is of course, very individual. But you asked about the brick wall metaphor yes, yes.
Speaker 2:I love, I love, I love that you're asking me about that and I also realized that in the beginning you said, oh, the brick wall of confidence can also be something good. So in this case, the and you are right, actually, because we are meant to build a foundation in this, I have the brick wall as a metaphor of things that are obstacles in our way. So basically, what happens is, let's imagine we are speaking and you're going to love this example, because I'm going to take the public speaking example actually. So let's say you said earlier, the child sings and thinks it's great and has lots of fun, it's really noisy. And then, of course, people might say, oh, can you stop? It's too loud, it's uh, I don't want to hear, this is uh.
Speaker 2:Or maybe people say unkind, I think maybe siblings say unkind, I think, whatever it is, this child suddenly gets this idea oh, I'm a bad singer, my voice isn't nice. So they feel oh, and then they stop singing and they feel shame deep somewhere, some. Maybe something happened. They were singing on a christmas, whatever, it can be very banal, it can be very mundane, it can be something more traumatic, but something happened and they bury this shame about their voice and that is underground and we don't want to feel shame. Like I said, the shadow stuff, shame, anger, jealousy, all of those feelings greed, sloth, all those, really, I mean they. I've googled how many base feelings some people's only eight, some people say it's 28. I think the average western person can identify three feelings, which is sad, mad and glad, which I found funny. But of course there's all these more feelings that I'm saying in inverted commas, ugly feelings.
Speaker 2:So shame, let's say shame. You bury that and then you don't want to go there, you don't want to get it out of the ground at all because you don't want to go there, you don't want to get it out of the ground at all because you don't want to face that shame at all. And then you just start putting a foundation stone on it, and that could be in this case. It could be I'm not enough, my voice isn't good enough, I'm not well, I'm not worthy. Maybe in this case I'm not enough, I'm not worthy and I'm not worthy. Maybe in this case I'm not enough, I'm not worthy and I'm not safe.
Speaker 2:I've identified as really base, foundational, negative beliefs people hold that feed into everything else. So those foundation stones, let's say with the singing shame is I'm not enough, because my voice isn't nice and I'm not safe when I sing because people were laughing at me on stage. So you have the foundation stones and then you give yourself a rule for your life. The rule is I shouldn't sing on stage and I shouldn't sing. But let's say I shouldn't sing on stage or speak on stage because people will laugh and I'll be rejected and ridiculed. So those two big stones, they hold the shame in place and you won't go there. And then throughout the years, so your rule is I shouldn't sing on stage.
Speaker 2:And then you find more reasons why you shouldn't sing on stage. I'm not entertaining, I'm not old enough, I'm not young enough, I don't have dope hair, I've not got the equipment, the technical. I don't have dope hair, I've got. I've not got the equipment, the technical. I don't have the right teacher to teach me, I don't have the right gender or right this, that all of those thousand other beliefs stuck on top of that. Building each brick by brick, is is building a big, massive wall suddenly and you're like okay, I'm not singing on stage because I don't have rhythm, I can't sing, my voice is creaky, my accent is bad. So lots of bricks there and, yeah, that is basically the brick wall metaphor, keeping buried feelings really nicely locked in place by rude beliefs like I'm not safe, I'm not worthy, I'm not safe, I'm not worthy, I'm not enough. And then, on top, lots of little reasons why logical, in inverted commas, logical reasons why I shouldn't sing.
Speaker 1:I can't sing oh my goodness, yeah, that's how it starts. It's like funny, you're saying all this, you know, and, and you I bet everyone who's listening has been like, oh okay, I can come up with my own examples. Some will literally be singing, others will be. You know, the first time they tried to tell a joke or something, right, and someone said you're not funny. And for the rest of their days they were like I'm not funny or I'm not pretty or I'm not whatever, right, and how that can really stick with us forever. And you know, I'm almost 50 years old, right, and some some things that I'm working on is like bull caca I kind of want to swear, but from like, when I was little, it's so amazing to me that so much power can stay with us. It can follow us like a current for the rest of our days. So, after identifying our limiting beliefs, do you recommend proving them wrong? How does this process work and what strategies do you suggest for challenging negative thought patterns effectively?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think the first step would be just take each brick out. So I call that, or the therapy industry calls it, cognitive restructuring. That means you're disputing the beliefs, you're disproving the beliefs. So you could say, for, for example, you say people laugh at me when I tell a joke. Is this always the case? Maybe one time people laughed, so actually the belief that you're holding people laugh at me is not true. So you would just try to disprove all the beliefs. Who taught? Who taught me this belief is? Is this, like I said already, the objective truth, or is it? Maybe sometimes it doesn't apply.
Speaker 2:Is my voice objectively really really bad or is it just something that's in my head? And do people hear me differently? And you can ask a lot of questions to disprove the belief. Or you say I'm too old to sing on stage. Maybe there's people my age who are actually really successful at singing. So all of these can be quite easily disproved.
Speaker 2:There might be still resistance. So if you're listening and you have the singing example and it's a common one you may not dislodge them immediately. You may not say oh yeah, gwen, you're right. Actually this person is a really successful singer at at my age I should also have a chance. So, because the buried emotions are still underneath. But what we, what we do, is really just talk through it and ask a number of questions that will help you distance.
Speaker 2:Or, for example, I had for this is a bit different about business I had oh, I can't run a successful business because I'm a mom. That's that was really in me. Or oh, I can't run a successful, I can't make 10k months consistently because I might get sick. Those kind of people telling themselves that you could disprove because there's lots of moms making lots of cash. Yeah, it has nothing to do. It might be harder Look, I'm bringing in limiting beliefs because it's so ingrained for me but it may not even be harder. Maybe they have an easier time than somebody having another problem or another life situation. That is difficult, that you know. You see my my, oh, I'm thinking about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just talking, yeah so I just I didn't mean to interrupt, so I apologize, um, but uh. So I was having a conversation with my husband about some kind of limiting belief and we tracked it back to its origin, like to its source, right, and it was so funny. He said I don't understand why a person who affects us so young, as a child, and then as an adult, you're like they are complete freaking bananas, they're bozos, they don't have their life in order, like nothing, right, and but you still give that bozo power over you because of the thing they said to you once, right? Do you ever notice that when people start looking at where their stuff came from, yeah, that they're like why? Why is this person who is not the person I want to be, or like I don't want to be like that person at all. I don't want to live that way, like?
Speaker 2:why did I?
Speaker 1:let their comment on my behavior or looks or whatever, right, like why do I bring that in? Like how, how can we encourage people to be like look at the source? Or is that just what you do?
Speaker 2:Look at the source. No, no, you're right. It's the best, of course, if you can trace it back and say how did I come to this belief? And what I want to say, though, is it back and say how did I come to this belief? And what I want to say, though, is it's good to ask why and be shocked, but also to acknowledge that and to forgive ourselves for believing that, because, obviously, the human mind is we don't. The mind doesn't want to think, or the soul doesn't want to feel. Oh my god, I did this wrong. I'm really stupid. And then the new thing comes, beating themselves up. But what is important to also see that often it's a survival mechanism where you are dependent on this person or these are you really good little gang in the neighborhood and they what they say, is important because, ultimately, we are tribal beings. We don't want to be cast out. So what we do is yes, you were right. Yes, I'm going to change myself.
Speaker 1:It depends. Wow, I love that. The tribal beings connection because I think I forget in the world that we live in? Yeah, that we really need each other.
Speaker 2:Yes, totally, Totally, and that's why I think we need to really have that compassion Once we've picked up something and just have compassion, and then the subconscious will know it can tell us more. It doesn't need to because it won't be told off. But yeah, I'm shocked to when I think back. I've just thought back at some things that I like whatever, some little high school bullies or what, they don't matter at all, but it has, it affects you and it can shape you and it doesn't have to. Sometimes people are in a situation where they've got such a good fallback circle of people and they have such a full life that it doesn't affect them. So it's not a given that if somebody gets a negative comment as a growing up person, that it will affect them, but it can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I love that. So, moving beyond the thinking process, you talk about uncovering and acknowledging the underlying emotions tied to limiting beliefs. Why is accessing the subconscious important and how can individuals effectively navigate their emotions in this process? Because I think this is probably where a lot of people like have a little freak out right. They're like, oh, oh, my gosh, that's always been there. Like do I do that? You know what I mean? Like is this my defensive mechanism? Like that's not good. Like how do we, how do we, navigate emotions in this process?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the subcon I. I mean it is my favorite topic. It's also on my website, my. My biggest term people search for is how real quick.
Speaker 1:How can people find your website?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, oh yeah, it's gwendy kleezer, it's. I'm gonna spell it out because, yes, please do E-N-D-I-K-L-I-S for Sahara Acom. Perfect, that's my website. So yeah, on that people, the most common search term is how do I access my subconscious? So it's a popular question. I love doing it. Actually, as kids we've already played being unconscious Somehow somebody I mean obviously it never worked was probably. We tried to breathe in a certain way. I don't know how we there was no social media to show us, but it didn't work, but we were. We wanted to do it for sure. That's the first thing, and the second thing is subconscious. It can really quieten people. I was recently at a talk here in London about dreaming and I said I'm going to challenge myself and ask a question was a big hall full of 500 people. So I did ask and there were like three psychologists, psychiatrists, at the front and I said what is the connection between dreaming and the subconscious?
Speaker 2:and they were silent they didn't know what to say, because obviously the subconscious my point is not every psychologist or person working in health will say yeah, that's a thing. Personally, I believe in it. I think memories get stored somewhere. Dreams come from somewhere. We have collective. If I do a special pose, people will know this is threatening, this is kind, this is so. That is what I speak about when I say subconscious. So as humans, we have a storehouse that's given to us, that we pass on, that we can all access when. If we want to, we don't have to, but we can. And if we don't, it might come in dreams or in. If you people do a Freudian slip when they say something wrong accidentally.
Speaker 1:Wow, I was just thinking, you know, when you said the subconscious being passed on and everything. It's really interesting because I know in early childhood development studies they've done studies where children will, where infants, very young toddlers will react to body language in cues that don't have words, that don't have sound, and they will react. And it's a primal reaction, it's something, it's like a protective mechanism. So do you feel that the subconscious also like really works to protect us and kind of keep us alive, you know as primal beings, or is that just like something silly that I'm thinking about?
Speaker 2:I think the instincts also play into it, now that you're saying it, because I think even dogs can understand if I have an angry face or a happy face. So I guess mammals have have that kind of knowledge. But the subconscious definitely does it protect us? I think it's, it can. It's just like a big I don't want to call it a dump, but a storehouse of experience.
Speaker 1:So in that, way, yeah, storage room.
Speaker 2:Mine's the size of a warehouse, someone else's maybe a closet, I don't know yeah, no, no, and we all I mean some people I love this metaphor and then we all have somewhere in there. It's a bridge to the universe somewhere. So I think we can. There is something that connects us all. I really believe that. I find it fascinating. And, yeah, so, the subconscious.
Speaker 2:But when you were asking about the emotions and so on, so why we need to get in line with these emotions?
Speaker 2:Because when earlier, when I um explained the how to um dispute the all the thoughts I'm too old, I'm too young, yes, somebody else who's 17 has done this, and so on, that might be all logical reason yeah, okay, I get it, I get it. Some other mom has made money, some other person has climbed this mountain. That's cool, but still, the emotion underneath it all doesn't believe it. So that's why we need to go into the subconscious, because we can't fix with the thinking part of our brain, we can't fix the emotions. The emotions need to be fixed with the tribal, the primal, the everything that's in there, and there's, yeah, that, for example, the plants, even plants. Let me just I think I'm digressing a bit too much too far into the next topic that I want to speak about, how we process through these emotions, but basically the emotions in the subconscious, they need to be called or named. So, like I said, in this example, with the public speaking, the shame Okay there's shame.
Speaker 2:Let's just call it that. It's okay, everybody has it. It has come from, maybe from this or that, and now I want to deal with it. So, yeah, that basically. So we have that emotion, and then I guess the next thing is how can we process through it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So once the negative emotions are processed, how do you suggest filling the void with, you know, positive beliefs and emotions? Is it really a matter of changing how we speak to ourselves? Like I always say to our students when I'm talking about like confidence and getting their businesses started and stuff, and you know I'm like, hey, you know, you don't need to shit, talk yourself right, like you don't need to take that from other people, because when push comes to shove right, I don't care where you are out in the world. No one can be as mean to you as you, right?
Speaker 2:So how do we like help?
Speaker 1:people how do you help people like. Reinforce these new and empowering beliefs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, let's go, though I want to cycle back a little bit to the processing again. Yeah, because also. So what I was? I guess I was digressing a bit, but what I wanted to say is that so we have this emotion and there's a few ways the subconscious will understand. So that can be with hypnotherapy, it can be with dream work, it can be with movement, just going for a walk or a voice, using your voice, sounding, shouting in the wind.
Speaker 2:So once you have this emotion art therapy or just doing art, scribbling, just like that, letting the body, so it can be really something people call rage, dancing. So do all the things that are based on the senses, the, the, the smell you could do, the, the voice, feeling, all all of those will help access the subconscious. And what I sometimes like to do when, for example, gardening, I don't know I also think plants maybe probably help with the subconscious in a way. Even in a really easy example, I've got a. I had a, lots of hedges, hedges everywhere, and I had to take them out and I thought, oh, these are digging up my limiting beliefs and it felt really good.
Speaker 2:So I had all these piles of everything and it was good to take it away to the dump, and even in kind of work symbols, I guess that was for me a symbol and I've just said this is a symbol now for my limiting beliefs. I'm getting them out. So basically, the subconscious speaks in metaphors, symbols and anything that's body-based and I would say nature is part of that as well. So that's how you could process. If you want to process something, process it through that. Not only most people would journal if they do it, but that again it's just the brain work, but anything like breath work or a good jog or rage dancing, that will help you get it out. I'm a big swimmer with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:I get in and I swim and you know I can be mad and I you know I rage swim. I spent most of COVID rage swimming. You know, I mean, I was uh 12 hours from my children who were grown and I couldn't see them. So you know, I was rage swimming big time. So I think that it's good that you I'm going to have to check out rage dancing and get some music on. And you know, I think that's that sounds like my new sport rage swimming, rage dancing.
Speaker 1:I'm going to the rage Olympics, so I love that yes it helps it's and, yeah, that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I wanted to encourage anyone who has discovered this emotion, find ways to process through it and again, on my website, I've written blogs about it. But this is the way to, yeah, to to get get it out of your system. And then what you were asking in the next step, or the almost last step, is okay, I've created this vacuum. I've released the all the, the emotions that were charged so so high that they were giving me so much pressure, and I've released the thinking, and, of course, I'm never expecting that everything is cleared and completely cleansed, because this is always. We're humans, you know, we are always feeling a little bit of all this isn't good, but then, immediately when you catch yourself, ok, no, I'm rephrasing this how can I learn, how can I do it better? How is this? Maybe not a big deal, and so on, but the next step is to, to build the new persona, and I really feel that embodying is important. So, let's say, the person who wants to present to the group, really in a relaxed manner, at ease, and in a way that everybody learns and takes on the new persona of what would this person do? If they were this person who does this. What would this person do if they were this person who does this? So they would probably really focus on the audience as well and take in their feedback and not try to be only right and not make a mistake. They would just be very open to the exchange and passionate and just leaning into the feeling of I love this topic and I want to tell everybody about it. So that's how you could lean into in a behavior way. Or you say, oh, I want to make my 10K consistent month. What does this person do? They probably work slightly differently than you are at the moment. So you could look at that and embody that and say this person would make a sales call and be really happy about the sales call and say, listen, I'm offering something good to someone and that's great. If they want it, they can have it. If they don't need it, that's absolutely cool. Maybe they want it soon, in three months, maybe never.
Speaker 2:So get into that person. And how do we do that? Firstly by, I guess, getting really in the thinking about it, to saying, yeah, this person would try to learn from experiences, would try to be positive and see that and so on. And also I would recommend change your environment a bit. How would this person live? Maybe it's time for a declutter a little bit. I mean I don't want to go into these always cliched topics, but maybe that person makes their bed every morning, even things like that. I mean, this is tiny, but it sends a signal to the subconscious again, because you, you realize that subconscious notices I'm tidying this up, I'm taking care of my environment, taking care of my files or my, my workbook, that I'm writing and I like.
Speaker 2:Also in terms of plants, of course, it's probably nice to have nice scents of plants or nice just having, I don't know. I feel I love plants. Actually I'm just sitting here looking at my balcony plants. But so embody the whole thing. Use your five senses again. Maybe a perfume will remind you. Maybe you can even take a little talisman, and I'm a person. For example, if I have this ring here, I say, well, this is now my ring. That embodies this. If I ever lose the ring, you know, I know for myself, I can take another object and give that the power.
Speaker 1:So you're talking like anchoring, like helping people anchor. I love that. I do that. So I do that myself, like I even have positive affirmations written on my mirror at times, or I always you know, I always have certain things with me, just I don't know. It just helps me feel grounded If I feel out of sorts or whatever I know I have, like some you know, I have like a rock in my purse that like I I keep one of my kids gave me when they were like two. You know it doesn't have to be anything like spectacular, but I'm a believer in anchoring and I'm a believer in decluttering too, and you know it's easy for herbalists to get cluttered space.
Speaker 1:We need jars and herbs and containers and notebooks, and so I really I really think that I love that you brought up decluttering, because I think that that's really a good place, like because my profession can be so cluttered. I probably have like 35 notebooks stacked on my desk and not a joke. So I totally I actually have a eight foot long dining room table as my desk because I need I need to have space around me and not have it be cluttered, so I love that you say that. So where can people learn more and work with you or, you know, connect with things that you're offering? Like, how can we, you know, how can people find you? I know you gave out your URL, so I'm gonna ask you to do that again, but like, just how can people, where can they get to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my website for sure, because I blog on there and I share quite a lot. So that's GwendyKlisacom, g-w-e-n-d-i-k-l-i-s-acom, and thank you for asking. By the way, I'm always very happy to, of course, share and help people and connect with people, so reach out to me anyone if you have questions, and I'm on Instagram, gwendyklisa. And I've got a new thing a limiting beliefs blaster.
Speaker 2:It's a free mini course where, yeah, I guess I take you through to on a more detailed level about what I've spoken about today and that you can find at the moment. It's on a link at bitly forward slash, at bitly forward slash, and then with a capital limiting next word, saying no spaces believes, also with a capital, and then blaster with a capital, again bit. I love that, but so that if you sign up there you will get it. At the moment it's an email format email every few days with the next step and yeah, I go like quite into detail as one change one belief and then go and let's do that kind of thing I love that it comes via email, because it's like it really takes no effort.
Speaker 1:You open everybody opens their email on their phone, like like you know on their commute, or you know in the morning when they're having their tea or their coffee or whatever, and it's like it's so easy when things come via email. I love when I can just like enjoy a quick email and I can say, okay, I'm going to save this in a folder because I'm coming back to it. Or you know, okay, I got what I needed from it. I love that. I love that that's available to people. I think it's really cool that you're offering you know it's this free course. I, you know, I am a big believer um, that you would definitely be worth paying for. So, yes, it is.
Speaker 2:I mean, I gotta be honest, it definitely is, but I like to make it available because it will help people and it does help people. It's part of what I do with my clients and I want it to be out there because I hear so often I do it myself, but if you pay attention or everybody listening next time you're speaking to someone, pay attention when they say I can't, this is too I can't and so on, all these kind of things they're saying why something that can't do something, and then just listen out to that because we do that all the time. So, yeah, I would. I don't want people to fall into that trap anymore, basically. So I love that. So, yeah, I am really happy.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much to be on this podcast, demetria oh well, thank you so much for being here and I just I really appreciate your time and everyone. I'm gonna also have the links in the bio um for the podcast, so you'll be able to connect with any links. You. You guys know that you can also email me always and I can send you any links that you've heard on the show. We'll also, when the podcast comes out, we'll have all the information on our Facebook page too, so people can go over there when you hear this and find any of the links that you need. So thank you so much for being on the podcast. I really appreciate it. I've had so much fun with you today and I've learned so much. So thank you, thank you, thank you Same. Thank you, demetria. Okay, bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Bye.
